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This is a discussion on Estra-4,9-diene-17b-ol-3-one "Dienolone" within the Prohormones and Designer Steroids forums, part of the Performance Enhancement category; Taken from PA's blog (patrickarnoldblog.com)... Believe it or not, even after all the recent federal crackdowns on synthetic “designer” anabolic ...

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    Estra-4,9-diene-17b-ol-3-one "Dienolone"

    Taken from PA's blog (patrickarnoldblog.com)...

    Believe it or not, even after all the recent federal crackdowns on synthetic “designer” anabolic steroid analogues there still are some companies willing to roll the dice and introduce new ones to the market. While these are not (yet) controlled substances, they are not natural substances either so selling them as supplements is not exactly kosher. But since these sort of things always sell great I guess some think its worth the risk.

    The first compound is estra-4,9-diene-17b-ol-3-one (commonly referred to as “dienolone”). What is ironic about this compound is that the government scheduled it’s precursor (estra-4,9-diene-3,17-dione - erroneously referred to as “tren”) just last January. If you recall, the old “tren” products worked pretty well but at the same time they were not free of potential adverse side effects. Anyway, as effective a compound as tren was, expect this stuff to work a lot better – and for two reasons. First reason, this is the active hormone and so requires no in-vivo enzymatic conversion. Second reason, this is delivered in a transdermal base so bioavailability goes way up as compared to oral. This product scores an impressive 10:1 on the Hershberger anabolic/androgenic ratio scale, plus it’s got decent absolute anabolic potency. As of yet I have not heard of anyone using it and I don’t know if it has hit the shelves yet.
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    Just make some real tren and leave this for the women and children.
    Can we get a remedial reading section on this board?
    Cause 95% can't seem to follow the flow of a thread or the words being said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by N4cer View Post
    Just make some real tren and leave this for the women and children.
    Just commit a felony and leave this for the law abiding citizens.

    You still mad it's going to be effective and you were wrong?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeeB View Post
    Just commit a felony and leave this for the law abiding citizens.

    You still mad it's going to be effective and you were wrong?
    Gonna be? Lol. Mmmkay. And compared to?

    Rather hear from experience. I'll leave the guesses to the supptards who think people get mad when toy with them on the Internet. Buy the turds in shiny wrappers, kiddies.
    Can we get a remedial reading section on this board?
    Cause 95% can't seem to follow the flow of a thread or the words being said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by N4cer View Post
    Gonna be? Lol. Mmmkay. And compared to?

    Rather hear from experience. I'll leave the guesses to the supptards who think people get mad when toy with them on the Internet. Buy the turds in shiny wrappers, kiddies.
    I'll leave the people thinking I'm mad because you toyed with me when really i'm toying with you toying with me for being mad about has anyone really been far as decided to use even go want to do look more like?!?!?!?!?

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    hahaha god damnit i just woke up from a dream - where N4CER had PM'd me a site where you can buy powders to "Brew" a bunch of injectables at your house. lol fuckin weird dream .
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    I'll be expecting 2 btls as payment. Lol
    Can we get a remedial reading section on this board?
    Cause 95% can't seem to follow the flow of a thread or the words being said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by N4cer View Post
    I'll be expecting 2 btls as payment. Lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Diesel Power View Post
    hahaha god damnit i just woke up from a dream - where N4CER had PM'd me a site where you can buy powders to "Brew" a bunch of injectables at your house. lol fuckin weird dream .
    Most of the sources you can buy raw powders from are selling in very large quantities that really aren't that cost effective for you unless you're planning on brewing and then selling some of it, which is dangerous water to be treading

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeeB View Post
    Just commit a felony and leave this for the law abiding citizens.
    Uh oh, you're talking as if you believe that the law is objective truth or something. I'm not saying that you can't or won't get busted for transgressions. I'm just saying to remember that legislation at various levels of authorship is often intentionally written in a way that will render it open to interpretation. This tends to alleviate non-commital politicians of having to actually stand for something. It can also give law enforcement and the courts on various levels more latitude in how they implement and enforce certain laws.

    This is slightly but not completely off topic seeing as this thread is in the PH/DS section. DS are a great example of what I'm talking about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Just99 View Post
    Uh oh, you're talking as if you believe that the law is objective truth or something. I'm not saying that you can't or won't get busted for transgressions. I'm just saying to remember that legislation at various levels of authorship is often intentionally written in a way that will render it open to interpretation. This tends to alleviate non-commital politicians of having to actually stand for something. It can also give law enforcement and the courts on various levels more latitude in how they implement and enforce certain laws.

    This is slightly but not completely off topic seeing as this thread is in the PH/DS section. DS are a great example of what I'm talking about.
    Well, my point is, there's far more room for legal interpretation when it comes to unscheduled substances than there is for stuff on the scheduled list.

    It is indisputably a crime to buy, possess, and use the scheduled steroids without a prescription, there is room for interpretation when it comes to unscheduled steroids, and to my knowledge no end user has been successfully prosecuted for the use of unscheduled steroids.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeeB View Post
    Well, my point is, there's far more room for legal interpretation when it comes to unscheduled substances than there is for stuff on the scheduled list.

    It is indisputably a crime to buy, possess, and use the scheduled steroids without a prescription, there is room for interpretation when it comes to unscheduled steroids, and to my knowledge no end user has been successfully prosecuted for the use of unscheduled steroids.
    I understand and agree that there is a difference in legal risk between using scheduled substances and unscheduled. My post was more in response to your statement. "Just commit a felony and leave this for the law abiding citizens." This makes it look completely black and white when in fact DS exist in legal shades of gray. Your post above is more accurate. So if my post accomplished anything, it prompted you to elaborate on the statement I quoted and give it a more accurate meaning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by N4cer View Post
    Just make some real tren and leave this for the women and children.
    Can real tren ace be applied transdermally? Or would the costs outweigh the benefits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by strongman21 View Post
    Can real tren ace be applied transdermally? Or would the costs outweigh the benefits.
    I think you would have to get tren suspension to do that

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    Quote Originally Posted by strongman21 View Post
    Can real tren ace be applied transdermally? Or would the costs outweigh the benefits.
    Yes, it's called fina. But you can suspend it and pin it too...
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    So this is just trenbolone w/o the 11-ene?

    Anyone w/ any clue regarding how this effects the pharmacodynamics?


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    Quote Originally Posted by smt1 View Post
    So this is just trenbolone w/o the 11-ene?

    Anyone w/ any clue regarding how this effects the pharmacodynamics?





    The conjugated bond system makes trenbolone even flatter than dienolone, making it a better fit for the androgen receptor, and increasing androgenicity [1]. Trenbolone is apparently less receptor-specific than dienolone due to increased flexibility of the molecule (conformational mobility), again due to the conjugated double bonds of the A, B, and C-rings [2].
    They're metabolised differently as well. Metabolism of trenbolone is limited to epimerization at C17 [3]. Dienolone can undergo reduction and hydroxylation at a number of positions [4].

    [1] Structural characteristics of anabolic androgenic steroids contributing to binding to the androgen receptor and to their anabolic and androgenic activities. Applied modifications in the steroidal structure.
    [2] Steroid flexibility and receptor specificity, Journal of Steroid Biochemistry
    Volume 13, Issue 1, January 1980, Pages 45-59

    [3] The analysis of trenbolone and the human urinary metabolites of trenbolone acetate by gas chromatography/mass spectrometry and gas chromatography/tandem mass spectrometry.
    [4] Comparative in vitro metabolism of the ‘designer’ steroid estra-4,9-diene-3,17-dione between the equine, canine and human: Identification of target metabolites for use in sports doping control

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    Quote Originally Posted by Right Hook View Post
    Yes, it's called fina. But you can suspend it and pin it too...
    Let's be clear: "fina" is synonymous with tren acetate in any form. Actually "fina" refers to tren in any ester, although most people mean tren ace when they say fina. Just so we don't have anybody get misled.
    And yea tren ace is very effective transdermally. As are most base or short ester hormones.
    Can we get a remedial reading section on this board?
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    Indeed. My fina yields the same tren everyone else uses

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    So is this in an actual product??

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    this product is now back up for sale.
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    Quote Originally Posted by henryv View Post




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    am I wrong, or are the standards that are used to compare the a/a different with the nor test & 17 mt?



    and trenazone is in stock for purchase, but it's 60$ for 30ml. how many mg per ml, and how many sprays equal a serving size (1ml)? I have no idea, but i'd like to know.

    who's gonna buy a bottle to tell us first?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    am I wrong, or are the standards that are used to compare the a/a different with the nor test & 17 mt?
    Yep, looks that way. Good catch. Nortest is less androgenic than MT. Just something to keep in mind. TBH, I don't place too much stock in the vida data though. It's interesting from an academic perspective but there are a few important reasons why it isn't necessarily predictive of real life.

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