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Supplement News - A Stronger D-Bol On The Horizon?

This is a discussion on Supplement News - A Stronger D-Bol On The Horizon? within the Prohormones and Designer Steroids forums, part of the Performance Enhancement category; The “prohormone” scene is a volatile one, in which the FDA’s attempts to regulate an intrinsically innovative market seem futile ...

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    Supplement News - A Stronger D-Bol On The Horizon?

    The “prohormone” scene is a volatile one, in which the FDA’s attempts to regulate an intrinsically innovative market seem futile - every time the FDA bans a compound, the supplement companies respond by bringing out something new to take its place.

    Most recently, PHF Supplements announced that they’re working on producing 17b-hydroxy-7a,17a-dimethyl-1,4-androstadiene-3-one. Those of you familiar with steroidal nomenclature will recognise that this compound closely resembles the oral steroid “dianabol”; the only difference is that this has the addition of a 7a-methyl group.



    Fig 1. Structural diagram of 17b-hydroxy-7a,17a-dimethyl-1,4-androstadiene-3-one

    This compound would require no enzymatic conversion in vivo, since it’s already orally active, so it would be generally considered to be a “designer steroid” rather than a “prohormone”.

    Like many of the prohormones and designer steroids previously introduced to what is increasingly euphemistically called the supplement market, this compound was previously studied by researchers in the 1960s who were searching for steroids with a high degree of separation between myotrophic (anabolic) and androgenic effects.

    A number of different laboratories were undertaking research in this area, concentrating on various different structural modifications to find a way to produce effective anabolics with minimal androgenic activity. The Upjohn company were particularly interested in the 7a-methyl group. This had previously been added to some corticosteroids, and been found to reduce their activity. [1]
    The Upjohn group found that when they added this group to testosterone and other testosterone derivatives, it significantly increased their activity [2]. They added the substituent to esterified testosterone, methandrostenolone (dianabol), and 17a-methyl testosterone. In all cases they found the 7a-methylated compounds caused significantly more anabolism in their rat subjects than their non-7a-methylated counterparts.

    In the case of the 7a-methyl methandrostenolone derivative, they had this to say:

    “17b-hydroxy-7a,17-dimethyl-1,4-androstadien-3-one was approximately twice as active as 17b-hydroxy-17-methyl-1,4-androstadien-3-one (methandrostenolone)”.



    Fig 2. Oral activity of Methandrostenolone and its 7a-methyl derivative compared to methyltestosterone.

    The greatest increase in anabolic activity however was found to be in the 7a,17a-dimethyl testosterone, which they refer to in the text as U-19763. Today we are more familiar with this compound by its brand name - Bolasterone. Since U-19763 was the strongest compound, and also had the best ratio of anabolic to androgenic effects, the other drugs were discarded and forgotten about - until now.

    One of the problems that faced the researchers of the time was the difficulty in producing a pure 7a-methyl compound. The reaction that creates the methyl group attacks from both sides of the steroid, which leads to an epimeric mixture of both 7a-methyl and 7b-methyl compounds which are then difficult to separate, and the 7b-methylated compounds are effectively useless.

    The synthesis of Bolasterone for example, the only 7a-methyl testosterone derivative to make it (albeit briefly) to the legitimate medical market, also produces the weakly androgenic 7b-methylated epimer Calusterone (a drug once used clinically for the treatment of breast cancer) as a byproduct.

    This is a problem that is also likely to face the Chinese lab that will be producing the raw materials for PHF Supplements. In 1965 the Upjohn team were struggling with yields that ranged from 15 - 50%, though it may be that better yields are possible with today’s scientific knowledge and technology.

    While this compound is unlikely to see the light of day until next year at the earliest, the prospect of “double d-bol” is sure to have plenty of people licking their lips in anticipation.


    References

    [1] Beyler et al (1960), Bismethylenedioxy Steroids. III. The Synthesis of 7α- and 7β-Methylhydrocortisones, J. Am. Chem. Soc. 82, 170.
    [2] Campbell,J.A.,and Babcock,J.C. (1965), 7a-Methyltestosterones, a new class of potent anabolic agents, in Hormonal Steroids 2, 59-67

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    Saw this other day on PHF site.



    First thought was, oh snap, someone gonna get huge...

    Second thought, fda gonna bow up.

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    Anyone making a PH this day in age is a retard

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    Tell me when and where to buy and I'm there. (as long as its legal)

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    None of these PH are legal, never were.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smartpowders View Post
    None of these PH are legal, never were.
    even 11oxo & stanodrol ?

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    maybe for manufacturers and distributors but do you really think they'd handcuff your dodge viper for walking out of a brick and mortar store with some ph/ds

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    Quote Originally Posted by MEATHEAD View Post
    maybe for manufacturers and distributors but do you really think they'd handcuff your dodge viper for walking out of a brick and mortar store with some ph/ds
    No. Boot the viper for lulz and no more beans for tank.

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    There is a class action lawsuit against bb.com and ZMA. Every brand of ZMA on their site was included. I know of a local 1 owner store that got blasted by the DEA for selling havoc a little over a year ago. This isn't the same industry we were in years ago. All of these "pro hormones" are loaded with other trace drugs that are illegal. None of these idiots test their products because they know they'd fail. The DEA/FDA doesn't go after companies, they go after stores, there is more money there. Retailers are at the greatest risk ever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smartpowders View Post
    There is a class action lawsuit against bb.com and ZMA. Every brand of ZMA on their site was included. I know of a local 1 owner store that got blasted by the DEA for selling havoc a little over a year ago. This isn't the same industry we were in years ago. All of these "pro hormones" are loaded with other trace drugs that are illegal. None of these idiots test their products because they know they'd fail. The DEA/FDA doesn't go after companies, they go after stores, there is more money there. Retailers are at the greatest risk ever.
    We are actually now required to test all our products with that government organization (forgetting their name at the moment) because of past FDA troubles. Tis expensive. They test for any illegal substances, contamination, and label accuracy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smartpowders View Post
    There is a class action lawsuit against bb.com and ZMA. Every brand of ZMA on their site was included. I know of a local 1 owner store that got blasted by the DEA for selling havoc a little over a year ago. This isn't the same industry we were in years ago. All of these "pro hormones" are loaded with other trace drugs that are illegal. None of these idiots test their products because they know they'd fail. The DEA/FDA doesn't go after companies, they go after stores, there is more money there. Retailers are at the greatest risk ever.


    I have exchanged pm with you on these questions before. Please humor me with posting it here. What is issue with ZMA? Links to correct info would be great since I pulling up garbage threads atm.

    I unaware. Thank you!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Right Hook View Post
    We are actually now required to test all our products with that government organization (forgetting their name at the moment) because of past FDA troubles. Tis expensive. They test for any illegal substances, contamination, and label accuracy.
    Reminds me when I took test booster years ago. Yes, unaware at time. Had heavy response from what must have been a ph/ds in it due to clear sides. Friend of mine took some otc libido pills once and side he was alert for almost an hour...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Right Hook View Post
    We are actually now required to test all our products with that government organization (forgetting their name at the moment) because of past FDA troubles. Tis expensive. They test for any illegal substances, contamination, and label accuracy.
    on the bright side, now people buying your product can be sure they're getting what they're paying for & nothing else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Right Hook View Post
    We are actually now required to test all our products with that government organization (forgetting their name at the moment) because of past FDA troubles. Tis expensive. They test for any illegal substances, contamination, and label accuracy.
    Serves you right for putting steroids in your steroids.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Abs View Post
    on the bright side, now people buying your product can be sure they're getting what they're paying for & nothing else.
    Yeah it also helps get us in the door of huge places like Vitamin Shoppe since they have that assurity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Right Hook View Post
    We are actually now required to test all our products with that government organization (forgetting their name at the moment) because of past FDA troubles. Tis expensive. They test for any illegal substances, contamination, and label accuracy.
    Yes, I got a visit from the FDA/DEA because of AMS last year . The irony of them coming to see me, about him, but not going to see him. Gotta love the government. There is a ton of stuff that needs to be done for proper compliance. To be fully compliant, almost doesn't exist. I'd say less than 5% of companies are. If companies were interested in being truly compliant, they'd be at the FDA seminars. The ones where I never see anyone else other than the same 4 other companies that are trying to do things right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smartpowders View Post
    Yes, I got a visit from the FDA/DEA because of AMS last year . The irony of them coming to see me, about him, but not going to see him. Gotta love the government. There is a ton of stuff that needs to be done for proper compliance. To be fully compliant, almost doesn't exist. I'd say less than 5% of companies are. If companies were interested in being truly compliant, they'd be at the FDA seminars. The ones where I never see anyone else other than the same 4 other companies that are trying to do things right.
    And the irony to this day there are companies still selling the same stuff he got in trouble for...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Right Hook View Post
    And the irony to this day there are companies still selling the same stuff he got in trouble for...
    Dare I say Patrick Arnold also got hammered?

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    Quote Originally Posted by smartpowders View Post
    None of these PH are legal, never were.
    Steroids were not always illegal...

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    and... might come off my oral strike for this one...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaberwaki View Post
    Steroids were not always illegal...

    only became as such 20 yrs or so after being available iirc...
    also, wonder what it would take to reverse the legal status of it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Abs View Post
    only became as such 20 yrs or so after being available iirc...
    also, wonder what it would take to reverse the legal status of it...
    God.... WW3.... Justin Bieber saying he wants to try it???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaberwaki View Post
    God.... WW3.... Justin Bieber saying he wants to try it???
    So in other words, impossible ?

    I mean I'm not asking how likely is it, I'm asking what can/needs to be done for it to happen, like petitions, ballot vote, writing to congressmen, protests (imagine the lulz with this one), etc...
    Last edited by Dr.Abs; 11-17-2011 at 10:08 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Abs View Post
    So in other words, impossible ?

    I mean I'm not asking how likely is it, I'm asking what can/needs to be done for it to happen, like petitions, ballot vote, writing to congressmen, protests (imagine the lulz with this one), etc...
    The reason I listed those three is because there is NO public support for roids. The media attack was TOO effective... For Sheep guys they said... OHNOZER!!! roids shink your dick and it infected sportzerz lik dem dar cancerz!!!eleven!!!
    For SHEEP women they said... OH NOZER!!! roids shrink dicks and make guys rage out and beat/kill women!!!

    We have no real defense for that. We can try to tell people the truth, but it bounces off those thick sculls like a rubber ball off a wall.

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