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About LinkBacksMost supplements are manufactured in GMP facilities. Most ug gear is manufactured in bathtubs and home ovens. Seems like a fair comparison.Originally Posted by Phelonyst
This is a discussion on Best alternative possible to a SERM within the Prohormones and Designer Steroids forums, part of the Performance Enhancement category; Originally Posted by Phelonyst whose to say they cant put anything in a PH? because it is sold on the ...
Reputation: 11883 Array Most supplements are manufactured in GMP facilities. Most ug gear is manufactured in bathtubs and home ovens. Seems like a fair comparison.
Reputation: 2791 Array no.
granted but inejectable does not realy on absorbing through intestinal wall lining and goes directly into blood stream - therefore much less stress on organs...
methylated compounds reek havoc on ur liver....
Ive done a few PHS - I got it bad and had very high toxicity...
off of a Hdrol Furuza PH cycle....... and that stuff fucked me up bad
Reputation: 2791 Array u r absolutley right and u can believe me when i say when using a new compound or from a new source u bet ur heart is pounding like crazy and ur nerves r up..... for the first 24hours.....
Reputation: 530 Array But who's to say they don't pay off those gmp guys to look the other Way n they put w.e. they want in it regardless. Or the ppl on top r from the bigger companies just like the oilers in congress. Who knows. The conspirators might even reach the white house!! On my oh my. Lol.
Hey u never know CRAZIER things have happened.
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Reputation: 11883 Array You're right.... Supplement companies have the FDA in their pocket.
Carry on.
Reputation: 530 Array That's just crazy talk.
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Reputation: 3207 Array yes all of them; read the original post, he's specifically looking not to use a serm.
Reputation: 15411 Array I dont get it... The people you have to convince/fool/work for .... are cool with you doing roids... but they have a problem with SERMS?
Reputation: 7852 Array This. You know what phs really are, as legit of a steroid as DBol. If they do a poly, they will likely specifically ask if you have done steroids.I dont get it... The people you have to convince/fool/work for .... are cool with you doing roids... but they have a problem with SERMS?
Reputation: 2362 Array They will ask if you have used any illegal drug use such as anabolic steroids.
I have never bought or used an illegal steroid.
Also any unprescribed drugs...
....Serms I have, thats the reason for my topic here.I dont get it... The people you have to convince/fool/work for .... are cool with you doing roids... but they have a problem with SERMS?
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Reputation: 23296 Array Whatever Helps you sleep at night
The fact is you knowingly bought anabolic steroids to use whether they are technically legal or not
Reputation: 4961 Array Grey area logic here. Whatever you call it. It is still a DS\PH\Anabolic. Good luck.
Reputation: 2362 Array It is & they are, u guys are right. Im not arguing that.
But.... I did not buy anything illegally, or consumed it and that's where my issue comes in.
Ive nvr had a prob sleepin' at night either since I know where I stand on the subject.
Just tryin' to find a solution to my topic, and greatful for all the responses and opinions. Respect them all.
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Reputation: 42986 Array lives in Miami, age 23, never done and illegal drug........mind = blown.
IMO SERM and DS are on the pretty same level legal wise. Technically you shouldn't be able to get them but through loop holes (or being ignored) they are not illegal. I'd say in some ways the research chemicals are more legal since there is a law allowing non controls to be given for research. Just food for thought. Good luck with your decision in the end it's what you feel comfortable with
Reputation: 2362 Array Thanks for the thought.
Appreciate it Grambo.
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Reputation: 15179 Array You guys are missing his point. I don't think he cares that PH are just "legal" or gray area AAS or anything like that. It's more if he's asked in a polygraph whether he's ever knowingly obtained and used an illegal drug (such as aas) or used a drug for which he didn't have an Rx, he has a better chance of passing if he sticks to otc stuff. Regardless of whether it's due to loop holes, black holes, alien conspiracy theories etc, they're not (weren't) illegal, DEA scheduled drugs when he used them. Whether that'll fly or not, I dunno, but I understand the rationale. I would still say it is best to steer clear of any of it if you're going to polygraphed for something important though.
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Reputation: 2362 Array Exactly.
Hit the nail on the head brah!
....thanks for understanding, elaborating and the advice.
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Reputation: 4961 Array Understood the point of OP. Been in this postion before. Just adding useless thought...
Good luck OP.
Reputation: 62104 Array This
Well there's a very simple way to get around this, but you're gonna have to play a sort of russian roulette here.
Take PH/DS, while nearing the end of the cycle, make dr. appt. Tell them that you took a supplement that you didn't know had a banned substance in it OR you took something that had a disguised ingredient PH/DS in it (aka Mass Tabs) with which you are extremely worried about (insert steroid blanket statement here). They will order bloods, again, stay on cycle through this, then approach the doctor saying you did some research and that you saw SERMs have usually been prescribed in these instances, such as clomid or tamox and see what their thoughts are on using that. I would also cite why not to use a script AI; they will be biased for one or the other usually, but it won't hurt to make a case for a SERM if they're partial towards AIs.
FWIW though, if you gonna go through those lengths, I would rather hit illegal injectables...
Reputation: 40 Array I am with you on the gray area and that is why I don't use a SERM too. I will tell you what I do for PCT and what works for me. I do bloodwork at Labcorp before and after cycle so I know it works. I also came to this with much research and also by trying several things and seeing what works best and also from failing by doing the wrong thing which is no fun. So hear is the protocol.
Weeks 1&2 800mg I3C 6grDAA
weeks 3&4 600mg I3C 3grDAA
week 5 400mgI3C 3grDAA
Week 6 200mg I3C 3grDaa
You can use a cortisol blocker like Suppress C or Lean Xtreme beginning week 3 if you want, but have not found it to benefit me. Another thing is to eat a little more fat during recovery to help get things back anabolic. I would say around 70-100gr fats depending on weight. The DAA can be stopped or continue to cycle. Also start the DAA at 6gr that last week of your cycle just so it can build up in the system.
I also do not use any AI/ATD because Estrogen is already suppressed and found that it sowed me from recovering after cycle. You may need it if you have a gyno issue, but that will be unlikely. AI's have been way over used in the past and can first hand experience attest to it.
I hope this helps and again it is also user dependent and at your own risk. It works for me though.
I will say this too, you need to do bloodwork too see if this works and even when using a SERM bloodwork needs to be done to make sure also.
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