Originally Posted by B3astm0de

Okay guys quick note I not a ill newb when it comes to ph's.

Well with that stated lets come up with the most b.a. Stack possible so I look like a freak for Springbreak.

Looking to start last week of January and run for 8 weeks



GO

replace hdrol with epi...dryer compound with less chance of developing gyno.

Originally Posted by doctorcarta

replace hdrol with epi...dryer compound with less chance of developing gyno.

I've seen way more people get gyno on h drol epi

Originally Posted by doctorcarta

replace hdrol with epi...dryer compound with less chance of developing gyno.

I've seen way more people get gyno on epi than h drol

Originally Posted by TRex

I've seen way more people get gyno on epi than h drol

weird...that goes against the properties of epi.

Originally Posted by doctorcarta

weird...that goes against the properties of epi.

Yeah idk. Think epi is more likely to cause rebound gyno or something.

Originally Posted by TRex

Yeah idk. Think epi is more likely to cause rebound gyno or something.

Yeah that's where it would happen. I believe its just a methylated AI that is used in japan. So it may even be able to "shrink" gyno on cycle (in b4 debate), but nonetheless it does dry you out considerably like an AI would, at least it did for me. Then when you get off you risk the chance of rebound gyno if you are sensitive to that particular side effect. Everyone's different. To be safe you might wanna taper the epi, then use a weak AI like aromasin and low dose + taper it during pct. Or just have the gyno support meds on hand and see what happens. I prefer the latter.

Originally Posted by Serotonin

Yeah that's where it would happen. I believe its just a methylated AI that is used in japan. So it may even be able to "shrink" gyno on cycle (in b4 debate), but nonetheless it does dry you out considerably like an AI would, at least it did for me. Then when you get off you risk the chance of rebound gyno if you are sensitive to that particular side effect. Everyone's different. To be safe you might wanna taper the epi, then use a weak AI like aromasin and low dose + taper it during pct. Or just have the gyno support meds on hand and see what happens. I prefer the latter.

It's uncertain as to whether it functions as an AI. Also, I don't think anyone really knows how the 17a-methyl might change the anti-e properties. We know that a 17a-CH3 can change the binding properties and activity of other androgens and hormones so we shouldn't necessarily assume that epi has the same anti-e properties (or same degree of) as the unmethylated breast cancer drug.

Originally Posted by Just99

It's uncertain as to whether it functions as an AI. Also, I don't think anyone really knows how the 17a-methyl might change the anti-e properties. We know that a 17a-CH3 can change the binding properties and activity of other androgens and hormones so we shouldn't necessarily assume that epi has the same anti-e properties (or same degree of) as the unmethylated breast cancer drug.

Very true. Making one change like that can make the compound completely different.

Just like the people who compare Dzine to SD. Waaaaaaaaaayyyyy fawking different lol.

Originally Posted by Serotonin

Very true. Making one change like that can make the compound completely different.

Just like the people who compare Dzine to SD. Waaaaaaaaaayyyyy fawking different lol.

A good analogy for this particular discussion would also be comparing SD to masteron. I mean, as you know, there is some anecdotal evidence that suggests epi has some anti-e properties. How it compares to its unmethylated counterpart seems less clear though. Henryv might have more info on this since he's done alot of reading about epi.

Originally Posted by Just99

A good analogy for this particular discussion would also be comparing SD to masteron. I mean, as you know, there is some anecdotal evidence that suggests epi has some anti-e properties. How it compares to its unmethylated counterpart seems less clear though. Henryv might have more info on this since he's done alot of reading about epi.

That's the perfect analogy. And both are very different.

Epi for me anyways dried me out and I only had gyno flair up when I got off most likely from estro rebound. Its all I can think of anyways.

Originally Posted by Dr.Abs

get right it son, this old saying goes like this:

DIE BIG
DIE YOUNG
DIE-ANABOL

lulz

I was quoting ANABOLIC1's avatar back at Anabolic Society before they got shut down.

Originally Posted by henryv

I haven't seen any evidence that it functions as an AI. Plus users' blood work suggests that it increases estrogen levels.

That's what I thought. My point is that just because epithiostane has anti-e activity doesn't mean that 17a-methyl epi will retain that property. I can even play devil's advocate for the sake of discussion and say that there's some evidence in some users that it does have some anti-e activity (aggravated joints, lethargy, impacted libido, changes to existing gyno etc), but there's nothing saying that it's via the same mechanism as epithio or to the same extent.