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Reputation: 9899 Array Would taking serms while still on cycle help sustain testicular size allowing for an easier recovery the same way hcg does?
Last edited by rob415; 01-16-2012 at 08:49 PM.
Reputation: 2406 Array Why not just use HCG?
Reputation: 503065 Array Clomid helps a bit according to many, never tried it. Seems to up sperm count even on. Pretty sure this doesn't apply to deca or tren.
Reputation: 9899 Array Obviously hcg would work better for doing what hcg is meant to do. The point in this thread is to ask about an option if a person didn't have hcg. Yes I do have hcg, so don't tell me its easy to get. This thread is simply for the sake of discussion.Originally Posted by ender
Reputation: 2406 Array Cool your jets bro, was that not a logical question? You want to keep the boys big without using HCG, which keeps the nuts swingin, so my mind says, "hey guy, whats up with that?".
Reputation: 9899 Array What kind of dose? A standard pct dose can range from 25 mg to 100mg... would a lower end dose like 25 still help or do you need to go higher
Reputation: 9899 Array This is just something I've always wondered about and wanted to keep it on topic about serms cause I predicted word for word that someone was gonna say what you said lol
Reputation: 62104 Array I would think about the function of the SERM and its role with LH and SHBG and think it's probably very, very slight of an effect, if at all. I would rather save precious SERM for a gyno flare or PCT than hoping for it to control ball size. Moreover, if your balls are hypotrophic, they're gonna shrink, simple as that. Let them go and you'll recover when you start HCG and/or PCT. I would side with ender in saying that I would stick to something that's proven to work instead of gambling, though most of you on here dose HCG improperly anyway.
Reputation: 2406 Array Beej what would you consider a proper dose? I do 250 IU 2x weekly currently
Reputation: 62104 Array That's the arbitrary bro recommendation that seems to be floating around the interwebs. Minimum is 500IU x 2 in hypogonadal men, increasing to about 1000IU ED or EOD when waiting for the ester to clear, if starting HCG late or no use at all on cycle, OR if you were on for a long time like 6 months, which is what I did last year.
Low-Dose Human Chorionic Gonadotropin Maintains Intratesticular Testosterone in Normal Men with Testosterone-Induced Gonadotropin Suppression
Reputation: 503065 Array not totally sure. seen infertile guys use it to boost sperm count (not sterile). I'd have to dig it up but it was used in concert iwth other things too.
Reputation: 503065 Array Beej was the first to point out to me the dosing flaws of HCG in modern bbing boards... thank you bro. you're on spread.
Reputation: 11883 Array I'm not sure that's totally a bro science thing. Dr crisler was preaching that hcg dosing schedule for a while (maybe still is). Of course his focus was hrt not the use of aas for performance enhancement.
Having said that I've always felt better with 500iu's 3x/week.
Reputation: 62104 Array Ya, I think the min should be around 1000IU a week, I think I ran more, especially as I got deeper down the road and did the 1000IU ED for those two weeks while waiting for test e to clear and one week at 1000IU EOD into PCT protocol.
Is this an actual good discussion!? This is what I like to see on this forum.
Agreed with Beej, the SERM would probably have a very minimum impact when you consider how much AAS you usually use in a typical cycle. As that studied showed it could be an interesting look for people needing HRT and some real help not on cycle.
I agree with the higher dosing being much better. It seemed like one of those things where it was said it could desensitize testies and everyone got chicken littled into smaller doses.
Reputation: 503065 Array Middle part is a great point. The Clomid was on Hrt doses of test.
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