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About LinkBacksKind of a random question...are some of these PHs more suppressive to the HPTA than Testosterone? Or is it all pretty much the same with only slight variations compound to compound?
This is a discussion on PH suppression within the Prohormones and Designer Steroids forums, part of the Performance Enhancement category; Kind of a random question...are some of these PHs more suppressive to the HPTA than Testosterone? Or is it all ...
Reputation: 9899 Array Kind of a random question...are some of these PHs more suppressive to the HPTA than Testosterone? Or is it all pretty much the same with only slight variations compound to compound?
Reputation: 11883 Array It varies and is dose dependant. For example nandrolone is more suppressive than testosterone.
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To an extent, but shutdown is shutdown. Not like you're going to skimp on pct, well, I hope not.
Reputation: 9899 Array no not why i was asking lol. i was actually thinking about guys who do longer oral cycles. We normally advise against it. Partly for liver health, partly for feeling shitty cause of being shut down and not having a test base. This is purely for asking questions because my next cycle will actually be AAS (probably just Test). But for the sake of me randomly thinking about this shit, i for example dont get bad lethargy with xtren. I felt great on epistane too. so for a person who can survive 8 to 12 weeks without a test base (in terms of feeling good on a daily basis), why would a longer oral cycle be looked down upon if the majority of it is on a non-methyl and liver supports are taken??Originally Posted by Head
Reputation: 15179 Array It's hard to know really. Alot of variables. Speaking in a very general sense, some of the more suppressive ph/ds like SD might suppress the HPTA more quickly than test.
Last edited by Just99; 01-30-2012 at 05:56 PM.
Reputation: 35343 Array Because the sides usually kill you by week 8 of anything oral, besides something like bold. Being methyl or not really has jack to do with it being hepatoxic, like at estra 4.
Reputation: 9899 Array ok yeah cause i did a longer (12 weeks i think) cycle with bold once and actually used HCG and everything and never had issues. It was actually an awesome cycle. estra 4 is xtren righht? your saying that xtren is tough on the liver to the point of liver supports not doing enough for a longer cycle of it?
Reputation: 2362 Array Brb, canceling my 8 week SD supply.
Sent from my Evo.
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Reputation: 35343 Array not just the liver, specifically tren would have your joints so dry by end of week 6. Not to mention a myriad of other internal sides by a 10 week cycle.
Liver supports are debatable, liv52 is so cheap though, so why not.
Reputation: 9899 Array ok yeah i was just curious. As i said, im looking forward to my next cycle... itll be my first AAS round and am probably gonna go with Test only to see how i do with real Test in terms of gyno and shit before i start pumping tren and other shit into me too lol. Probably in July or something ill start that one.
Reputation: 42986 Array Had a friend who ran an 8 wk estra4/19nor cycle (high dose) and his liver values came back terrible.
Reputation: 23296 Array I ran a 9 week estra 4 cycle bridged with bold....like 12 weeks total and my liver values came back normal....but only had them tested post pct(6 weeks) so my values could have been messed up post cycle
Reputation: 23296 Array Bro just start out with test prop for 4 weeks and see how you react with test and then throw in tren ace for the last 8 weeks to make it a 12 week cycle......gains brah
Reputation: 9899 Array i like this idea for next cycle. I want to take tren really bad lol. You suggest prop as the type of test over any other one?
Reputation: 23296 Array It's a good idea for first timers because of how quickly it kicks in an whatever sides you get will come on fast (and also leave fast via lowering dose or discontinuation)....only thing is prop can be painful if you have some cheap UG stuff....and some guys just hurt bad with any amount of prop solo
The trick I found to stop the prop pain was to cut it with more oil...either just plain Gso or tren ace....tren ace is painless
Reputation: 28658 Array I ran epi for 7 weeks stacked with xtren for 4.
Reputation: 23296 Array Also make sure to have a nice stockpile of AI's....the dose I found most effective out of any AI is taking 1.25mg letro twice a week
I am very very sensitive with estrogen sides and with this dose I have been able to up my test dose to where 1mg a day of adex couldn't even help
Reputation: 28658 Array Brb no supports
Reputation: 9899 Array interesting, when i actually set up this cycle im definitely gonna pm you cause i want to do it right, but also do it bigi got gyno from epi back in the day. So im definitely paranoid about gyno again. However when i got it, i had no idea what i was doing with PHs and shit so i think it was party because i was running Finasteride for hair loss which obliterated DHT levels allowing for estrogen related sides to fuck me up.
little did i know the amount of shedding i was getting was normal and also that the fina wouldnt do anything for shedding on most PHs anyway haha. epic fail on my part, but that whole thing is what made me do the studying to be more knowledgable now. Bottom line, idk if im sensitive to estrogen sides or if i was just being stupid on that cycle when i got gyno. Either way im paranoid about getting it again.
Reputation: 9899 Array you indicating that you dont think liver supps really do anything?
Reputation: 23296 Array Yes...
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Reputation: 62104 Array PH's? Perhaps. Steroids, legal or otherwise, yes and no, as aforementioned. What do you consider a PH? You know that SD, Havoc, Phera, shit like that are, in fact, steroids?
Reputation: 0 Array Find one real juicer who touches any of that crap. As far as your original question...yea most otc orals in my experience are far more suppressive and dangerous than testosterone.
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