What do Phil fanatics say?????



Originally Posted by Nalbandian1987 Hey Layne real quick question...I asked earlier in this thread, but I guess you overlooked it. What is your opinion on Lean Beef Amino's taken in between meals to help with nitrogen retention/protein synthesis. Just wondering, since I know you are a bid advocate of BCAA's in between meals. I'm not sure if you are aware, but Phil Hernon is a huge believer of these and they seem to have worked for me over the past few months since taking them. Thanks.

LBAs are overpriced and not worth nearly what people charge for them. They have a lower leucine content than many superior protein sources but somehow the 'bros' think because it's BEEF PROTEIN BRO it must somehow be more anabolic than other sources, which is nonsense

Originally Posted by Right Hook

What do Phil fanatics say?????



Originally Posted by Nalbandian1987 Hey Layne real quick question...I asked earlier in this thread, but I guess you overlooked it. What is your opinion on Lean Beef Amino's taken in between meals to help with nitrogen retention/protein synthesis. Just wondering, since I know you are a bid advocate of BCAA's in between meals. I'm not sure if you are aware, but Phil Hernon is a huge believer of these and they seem to have worked for me over the past few months since taking them. Thanks.

LBAs are overpriced and not worth nearly what people charge for them. They have a lower leucine content than many superior protein sources but somehow the 'bros' think because it's BEEF PROTEIN BRO it must somehow be more anabolic than other sources, which is nonsense

Pats response >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Layne's response. Make ssure you forward that to those ebrahs.

How did this turd become so e-loved again?

Originally Posted by Beejis60

Pats response >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Layne's response. Make ssure you forward that to those ebrahs.

How did this turd become so e-loved again?

What is Pat's response? If he at least has any scientific analysis/facts to back up his opinion, I'm more than sure he would hold more weight than Layne or Hernon. I have no idea what the AA make-up is of these 'lean beek AAs' other than what's already in beef.

Originally Posted by J2jud

What is Pat's response? If he at least has any scientific analysis/facts to back up his opinion, I'm more than sure he would hold more weight than Layne or Hernon. I have no idea what the AA make-up is of these 'lean beek AAs' other than what's already in beef.

In another thread here I had thought pa said they were basically all gelatin/collagen. So mostly glycine and proline. If that's true the name of them in it of itself is a bit misleading.

Originally Posted by Right Hook

In another thread here I had thought pa said they were basically all gelatin/collagen. So mostly glycine and proline. If that's true the name of them in it of itself is a bit misleading.

If that's true, I don't know how they can label a product to insinuate a full AA profile... but then again, I do. lol. In any event, purchasing bulk glycine and proline may serve better as an addition to a full AA profile, if my assumption in that it's an expensive product serves correct.

Originally Posted by Beejis60

Pats response >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Layne's response. Make ssure you forward that to those ebrahs.

How did this turd become so e-loved again?

layne is a very bright guy but he is not in the supplement business so i dont think he realizes that all this beef protein is gelatin. Layne sounds like he thinks its actual beef. If he examined the amino acid profile i think it might have dawned on him though

Originally Posted by J2jud

If that's true, I don't know how they can label a product to insinuate a full AA profile... but then again, I do. lol. In any event, purchasing bulk glycine and proline may serve better as an addition to a full AA profile, if my assumption in that it's an expensive product serves correct.

this explains gelatin pretty well



Gelatin is a protein food composed of 18 amino acids. However, as a single protein source, it is incomplete. Tryptophane and cystine are absent, and methionine is only present at a relatively low level. Nevertheless, since gelatin is entirely used in combination with other foods, it provides valuable additional nutrition when balanced with other proteins normally present in the diet. In particular, gelatin is a good source of the essential amino acid lysine, which occurs in relatively low proportions in, for example, cereal products. The following table is a typical analysis of the amino acids obtained after the hydrolysis of 100 g of gelatin. However, such percentages can alter depending on the type of raw material and the gelatin manufacturing process.

Alanine 8.9% 　
Arginine 7.8% 　
Asperic acid 6.0% 　
Glutamic acid 10.0% 　
Glycine 21.4% 　
Histidine 0.8% 　
Hydoxylysine 1.0% 　
Hydroxyproline 11.9% 　
Isoleucine 1.5% 　
Leucine 3.3% 　
Lycine 3.5% 　
Methionine 0.7% 　
Phenylanine 2.4% 　
Proline 12.4% 　
Serine 3.6% 　
Theronine 2.1% 　
Tyrosine 0.5% 　
Valine 2.2% 　
　

Originally Posted by Head

sounded like he was speaking off the cuff, he might be a well renowned douche according to e-brahs. He is far from dumb though...

i never heard anyone call layne a douche before. he is one of the most intellectual and honest guys i know in the biz

Originally Posted by gbpackers

why isn't there a list of the amino acid profile... like wtf.. aren't they required to post this on the product?

well if they listed the AA profile that would give away that its gelatin.

for instance look at universal beef aminos and compare it to the gelatin profile i just posted.

L-Leucine (Branched Chain Amino Acid) 3,900mg **
L-Isoleucine (Branched Chain Amino Acid) 1,700mg **
L-Valine (Branched Chain Amino Acid) 2,800mg **
L-Threonine 2,100mg **
L-Lysine 5,100mg **
L-Phenylalanine 2,300mg **
L-Tryptophan† 300mg **
L-Methionine 1,200mg **
L-Histidine 1,200mg **
Non-Essential Amino Acids
L-Arginine†† 7,300mg **
L-Aspartic Acid 6,200mg **
L-Alanine 8,800mg **
L-Cysteine 500mg **
L-Glutamic Acid 11,300mg **
L-Glycine 20,100mg **
L-Hydroxyproline 9,700mg **
L-Proline 11,100mg **
L-Tyrosine 900mg **
L-Serine 3,400mg **
* Percent Daily Values are based on a 2,000 calorie diet

Originally Posted by Head

Excuse me if I'm mistaken, but couldn't that have the potential to be deadly. Speaking on those that don't have a gallbladder anymore. Assuming something wouldn't have gelatin in it bc it's "beef amino brah".

i dont follow what gall bladder has to do with gelatin

Originally Posted by Head

Dared a chick that said she couldn't eat gelatin bc she had her gallbladder removed, never looked into it so I could be mistaken like I said prior.

gall bladder makes bile which is involved with the digestion of fats. maybe you meant to say ice cream sundae

Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold

layne is a very bright guy but he is not in the supplement business so i dont think he realizes that all this beef protein is gelatin. Layne sounds like he thinks its actual beef. If he examined the amino acid profile i think it might have dawned on him though

Originally Posted by Head

sounded like he was speaking off the cuff, he might be a well renowned douche according to e-brahs. He is far from dumb though...

Allow me to retort. Layne has seemingly come to the forefront of the largest amount of nutriders and cockswingers e-bobbing his knob over the past year or so. However far too many people give him too much credit, case in point. That's the whole reason this whole LBAs thing came to fruition is that nutriders of a different turd started boasting this shit and has accumulated its bullshit status to the maxima recently where the likes of real scientific data is now, finally, being presented. People giving too much credit to people because of one aspect of their expertise. Not saying layne isn't smart, but a single leucine comment and cost benefit really isn't that great of an argument at all, and yet it's being posted here. WEEEEEEEEEE

Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold

this explains gelatin pretty well



Gelatin is a protein food composed of 18 amino acids. However, as a single protein source, it is incomplete. Tryptophane and cystine are absent, and methionine is only present at a relatively low level. Nevertheless, since gelatin is entirely used in combination with other foods, it provides valuable additional nutrition when balanced with other proteins normally present in the diet. In particular, gelatin is a good source of the essential amino acid lysine, which occurs in relatively low proportions in, for example, cereal products. The following table is a typical analysis of the amino acids obtained after the hydrolysis of 100 g of gelatin. However, such percentages can alter depending on the type of raw material and the gelatin manufacturing process.

Alanine 8.9% 　
Arginine 7.8% 　
Asperic acid 6.0% 　
Glutamic acid 10.0% 　
Glycine 21.4% 　
Histidine 0.8% 　
Hydoxylysine 1.0% 　
Hydroxyproline 11.9% 　
Isoleucine 1.5% 　
Leucine 3.3% 　
Lycine 3.5% 　
Methionine 0.7% 　
Phenylanine 2.4% 　
Proline 12.4% 　
Serine 3.6% 　
Theronine 2.1% 　
Tyrosine 0.5% 　
Valine 2.2% 　
　

Ah - thanks for the breakdown, Pat. Not quite the profile I was expecting.

Originally Posted by Beejis60

Allow me to retort. Layne has seemingly come to the forefront of the largest amount of nutriders and cockswingers e-bobbing his knob over the past year or so. However far too many people give him too much credit, case in point. That's the whole reason this whole LBAs thing came to fruition is that nutriders of a different turd started boasting this shit and has accumulated its bullshit status to the maxima recently where the likes of real scientific data is now, finally, being presented. People giving too much credit to people because of one aspect of their expertise. Not saying layne isn't smart, but a single leucine comment and cost benefit really isn't that great of an argument at all, and yet it's being posted here. WEEEEEEEEEE

Umad I preciate Dr Layne Norton's opinion on silly shit like LBA's??? #hater #outwork #mfftrenbrahs

They need to incorporate twitter trending on vbulletin forums. I'd trend the shit outta #tren #trenbrahs

WTF does the # thing mean? makes no sense. Hater? Perhaps I am, but his logic is faulty. Outwork? LOL he doesn't outwork me. Tren? Not been on it, unfortunately, for a LONG time. Goddamn gov't and their polygraphs.

Originally Posted by Beejis60

Allow me to retort. Layne has seemingly come to the forefront of the largest amount of nutriders and cockswingers e-bobbing his knob over the past year or so. However far too many people give him too much credit, case in point. That's the whole reason this whole LBAs thing came to fruition is that nutriders of a different turd started boasting this shit and has accumulated its bullshit status to the maxima recently where the likes of real scientific data is now, finally, being presented. People giving too much credit to people because of one aspect of their expertise. Not saying layne isn't smart, but a single leucine comment and cost benefit really isn't that great of an argument at all, and yet it's being posted here. WEEEEEEEEEE

I understand what you are saying about the nutriders and e-bobbers. So what really is pissing you off is them, and not so much anything Layne is doing per se